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August 18, 2019, 4:52 am
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Re: Country Music

August 18, 2019, 5:17 am
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Various - History: The Bakersfield Sound - Country Music Capital Of The West 1940 - 1974 (10-CD)


10-CD boxed set (LP-format) with 224 page hardcover book, 299 tracks. Total playing time approx. 738 minutes.

- The compelling story of how a country music cottage industry transformed Bakersfield into the Country Music Capital of the West, sometimes called ‘Nashville West’, a serious challenge to Nashville's commercial country dominance.
- This first sprawling multi-disc anthology begins with 1940s field recordings of migrants, all the way through 1974, with profiles on each artist.
- Including a larger number of previously unreleased studio and live recordings, radio recordings and demos.
- A treasure trove of Bakersfield history presenting country music stars Merle Haggard and Buck Owens, guitar hero Don Rich and dozens of artists like Ferlin Husky, Dallas Frazier, Jean Shepard, Wynn Stewart, Tommy Duncan, Red Simpson, Kay Adams, Duck Curless, Joe Maphis, David Frizzell, The Gosdin Brothers, Clarence White a.m.o.
- From hits to deep cuts to alternate takes to album tracks to live material, this set dives deeper into the Bakersfield Sound than ever before.Full-color illustrated 224-page hardcover book with a plethora of photos, many shown here for the first time, and track-by-track commentary .
- In depth analysis by Grammy-nominated Bakersfield Sound historian Scott B. Bomar.
- Foreword by Foo Fighters guitarist Chris Shiflett.

https://www.bear-family.com/various-country-music-history-the-bakersfield-sound-1940-1974-10-cd.html





The Bakersfield Sound 1940 - 1974 (10-CD) - Bear Family Records

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rphxMta6xuQ
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Re: 1998/1999 unreleased Al Jardine album

August 18, 2019, 8:05 am
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Re: An Autobiography by Don Goldberg

August 19, 2019, 8:35 am
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It's short but an interesting read and Don comes off as a very likeable guy. Seems he was kind of the forgotten third wheel of Brian's revolving early 70s collaborators after Tandyn Almer and David Sandler.

Fun anecdotes:

- Brian staying at Arnie Geller's house for a while in 1970 because he and Marilyn weren't getting along. Wait... that's not fun. But the Radiant Radish gets talked about and that's VERY fun.

- Murry asking if Sweet and Bitter is a "Jewish folk song"

- Brian giving him a signed copy of Smiley Smile, with the note: "To Don, here lies a dead album - Brian Wilson"

- Brian telling Don Goldberg's father that Murry and Audree don't live together anymore and they only get together for sex

- Brian getting high and going on a deranged rant about how he's gonna quit the Beach Boys and start a band with Don and his friend Barry. It'll be called The Light, and Brian is the "light"

- Brian getting high and going on a deranged rant about Good Vibrations

- Don and his wife are invited over to Brian's house while they record. While they're waiting, Bruce barges into the room and yells at them to get out

- In the Country (apparently the original, correct title) almost ends up on Carl and the Passions with Don having a guest spot because of a scheme by Brian. Bruce literally hides the tape to stop it from happening

- Don asks Bruce what the chords to Disney Girls are while they're hanging around in Brian's house. Bruce's response: "Well, you have to be a really good guitar player"

- Carl on Bruce, post-leaving: "he just couldn't be nice to people"
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Re: An Autobiography by Don Goldberg

August 19, 2019, 8:41 am
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Interesting stuff about Bruce. It seems to line up with the experiences David Marks described in his book with Jon Stebbins, when David re-entered the band's orb in the "Surf's Up" era briefly.

So it would seem the long-ago circulated BB version of "(Out) In the Country" with Al on lead post-dates the Goldberg version. Big question: If they ever officially release the BB version, will Goldberg get a songwriting credit? Will Goldberg's long-ago involvement be something that leads them to just leave such a track off any future BB sets?

I remember someone asking Alan Boyd years ago when "Sweet and Bitter" surfaced if the BBs had that, or any of the other Goldberg stuff, in the BRI vaults. I don't remember if there was a definitive answer.

Does Goldberg describe overdubbing "Sweet and Bitter" years later? When he posted the three tracks online, "Sweet and Bitter" definitely had some late 70s/early 80s-sounding overdubs.

Also, does Goldberg describe posting the stuff online in the 2010s, and/or does he describe the stuff getting yanked from YouTube?
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Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!

August 19, 2019, 8:57 am
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I don’t know how much info is really available in terms of Carl’s alleged vetoing of “Soulful Old Man Sunshine” from the 1993 GV boxed set, but the impression I always got (which may be totally off) is that he had a larger distaste or skepticism or uneasiness about the song, or at least the extant recording. I think he still remembered it being an “unfinished” song, and perhaps the “Shunshine” thing was just one example of it clearly being unfinished, as they presumably would have gone back and fixed that if they had intended to release it back then. Indeed, I believe the 1998 “Endless Harmony” version of the song had to be stitched together from a few sources (resulting in some parts being mixed into wider stereo, some parts having more finished-sounding overdubs while others didn’t, etc.) to make the most “complete” version.

I’ve heard a number of examples of BB members over the years having uneasy feelings about putting out archival stuff because of feeling it’s “unfinished.” This may be one of the reasons why it has historically been more difficult to get post 60s archival material released, as more band members had a hand in later era recordings. I recall years ago talking to someone involved in the 2002 release of the “Knebworth 1980” show on DVD and CD, and it was mentioned that they honored Bruce’s request to cut out “I Write the Songs”, and it was also mentioned that Bruce was skeptical (my words) of releasing Knebworth because he felt it was never “finished”; he probably remembered the multiple attempts to overdub the material and also that it was never released. He even mentioned at that time that he felt the Washington DC 1980 show as a better choice to release, probably because he remembered that that project was “finished” in that he did overdubs and then it was aired and was thus a “complete” project.

I’m not sure, but I have a vague recollection Al (or someone) didn’t want “Loop de Loop” on the 1993 GV boxed set because it was considered “unfinished.”
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Re: An Autobiography by Don Goldberg

August 19, 2019, 9:09 am
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He does actually talk about visiting Alan and Mark with his tapes a few years back, and Alan mentioned the same thing in the recent Q&A. They have the session tape for Sweet and Bitter but Don managed to hold on to the master take with Mike's lead. Alan also said he "really liked what he did with that Sweet and Bitter tape" ... maybe meaning later overdubs? There's nothing directly about it in the book though.

To clarify some things: Don wrote Sweet and Bitter alone, but Brian rewrote the chorus chords. (Out) In the Country was started by Brian with the line "I can't see me falling in love" and the rest of the verse music, before Don changed that line, wrote most of the rest of the lyrics and added the chorus. Brian then wrote the bridge himself. The organ + Al lead version definitely came later - Don didn't even know about it until decades down the line when he discovered it via a bootleg. It might be from the Holland sessions after all. Seems like Brian produced all of the above.
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Re: 1998/1999 unreleased Al Jardine album

August 19, 2019, 9:11 am
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Thanks for the context, HeyJude. Very interesting. Are there any books that have good coverage of this time period? I’m not super knowledgeable about this era beyond simply that there was a lot of drama. (Although, I suppose that could be said for any era of the BBs history.)
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Re: 1998/1999 unreleased Al Jardine album

August 19, 2019, 9:12 am
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Re: An Autobiography by Don Goldberg

August 19, 2019, 9:21 am
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Quote from: wjcrerar on Today at 08:35:12 AM

- Murry asking if Sweet and Bitter is a "Jewish folk song"

- Brian giving him a signed copy of Smiley Smile, with the note: "To Don, here lies a dead album - Brian Wilson"

- Brian telling Don Goldberg's father that Murry and Audree don't live together anymore and they only get together for sex

- Brian getting high and going on a deranged rant about how he's gonna quit the Beach Boys and start a band with Don and his friend Barry. It'll be called The Light, and Brian is the "light"

- Brian getting high and going on a deranged rant about Good Vibrations






What an unusual family.  Brow




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- Don and his wife are invited over to Brian's house while they record. While they're waiting, Bruce barges into the room and yells at them to get out

- In the Country (apparently the original, correct title) almost ends up on Carl and the Passions with Don having a guest spot because of a scheme by Brian. Bruce literally hides the tape to stop it from happening

- Don asks Bruce what the chords to Disney Girls are while they're hanging around in Brian's house. Bruce's response: "Well, you have to be a really good guitar player"

- Carl on Bruce, post-leaving: "he just couldn't be nice to people"


So, I guess he doesn't like Bruce too much, eh?
Could you elaborate a little on the So Tough story? That sounds interesting.

Thanks for giving us some insight into the book!
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Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!

August 19, 2019, 9:22 am
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Quote from: HeyJude on Today at 08:57:03 AM

I’ve heard a number of examples of BB members over the years having uneasy feelings about putting out archival stuff because of feeling it’s “unfinished.” This may be one of the reasons why it has historically been more difficult to get post 60s archival material released, as more band members had a hand in later era recordings. I recall years ago talking to someone involved in the 2002 release of the “Knebworth 1980” show on DVD and CD, and it was mentioned that they honored Bruce’s request to cut out “I Write the Songs”, and it was also mentioned that Bruce was skeptical (my words) of releasing Knebworth because he felt it was never “finished”; he probably remembered the multiple attempts to overdub the material and also that it was never released. He even mentioned at that time that he felt the Washington DC 1980 show as a better choice to release, probably because he remembered that that project was “finished” in that he did overdubs and then it was aired and was thus a “complete” project.
 

I still can hardly believe that the band gave the thumbs up to adding Autotune to Mike's lead vocals on Knebworth. The idea of adding some awful modern technology to "fix" a 1980 recording, I just remember that when it dawned on me that it was sounding weird, it hit me in a way that's almost akin to having eaten part of a piece of pie only to grimace and find out it's been sweetened with some awful 1980s NutraSweet artificial sweetener.  Might that be the earliest released example of Autotune on a Beach Boys release? (Brian's solo "Imagination" album excepted).
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Re: 1998/1999 unreleased Al Jardine album

August 19, 2019, 9:30 am
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Al Jardine met Brian Wilson at Hawthorne High School in Southern California in 1961, when together with brothers Carl, Dennis and cousin Mike Love, they formed The Beach Boys.

Details, details. Didn't Al and Brian graduate Hawthorne High in 1960?  They reportedly met around 1958.

Of course, maybe this was a punctuation/editing issue. Al Jardine met Brian Wilson at Hawthorne High School in Southern California. In 1961, together with brothers Carl, Dennis and cousin Mike Love, they formed The Beach Boys.



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Re: An Autobiography by Don Goldberg

August 19, 2019, 9:44 am
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Quote from: Rocker on Today at 09:21:19 AM

Could you elaborate a little on the So Tough story? That sounds interesting.

Thanks for giving us some insight into the book!

No problem!

Honestly, there's not that much to it. Seems like the song was recorded as a contender for the Beach Boys, and Don wanted one of them to sing lead, but Brian encouraged him to sing his own vocals and lobbied for it going on the album like that. Carl was actually going along with the idea and even told 'Steve' (written as Desper, probably Moffit) that it was going on the record. Bruce clearly wasn't enamoured with the idea and sabotaged it by hiding the tape before they could add finishing touches.

Don says he doesn't know if it really would've been released regardless of Bruce doing that, but thinks that it might've inspired them doing something similar by giving Jack Rieley the lead on Tree. Evidently it was the opposite way round and he's got his timeline muddled up.
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Re: An Autobiography by Don Goldberg

August 19, 2019, 10:09 am
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 Bruce clearly wasn't enamoured with the idea and sabotaged it by hiding the tape before they could add finishing touches.

Now I can't get a picture out of my mind of Bruce - dressed as The Hamburglar - sneaking around and hiding a tape, then wiping down the area to erase fingerprints. It's no wonder Bruce left. I wonder where he hid the tapes?

Talk about dysfunction. Reminds me of the type of dysfunctional stuff that happened later in the 70s, with Brian's fridge being padlocked.
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Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread!

August 19, 2019, 10:19 am
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Quote from: HeyJude on Today at 08:57:03 AM
I don’t know how much info is really available in terms of Carl’s alleged vetoing of “Soulful Old Man Sunshine” from the 1993 GV boxed set, but the impression I always got (which may be totally off) is that he had a larger distaste or skepticism or uneasiness about the song, or at least the extant recording. I think he still remembered it being an “unfinished” song, and perhaps the “Shunshine” thing was just one example of it clearly being unfinished, as they presumably would have gone back and fixed that if they had intended to release it back then. Indeed, I believe the 1998 “Endless Harmony” version of the song had to be stitched together from a few sources (resulting in some parts being mixed into wider stereo, some parts having more finished-sounding overdubs while others didn’t, etc.) to make the most “complete” version.

I’m not sure, but I have a vague recollection Al (or someone) didn’t want “Loop de Loop” on the 1993 GV boxed set because it was considered “unfinished.”


It seems that the "Soulful" release is of a vintage edit of rough mixes spliced together back in the day by Dennis Dragon (who was Rick Henn's brother-in-law). Rick talks about it in a 1997 ESQ article (this was a year before the song's release). I first heard it when it was played down the phone line by David Leaf to Domenic Priore and me in '92, during the assembly of the '93 Good Vibrations box set. Meaning, it existed in that state back then, and based on Rick's comments, probably long before that.

As for "Loop" - correct, Al vetoed its release until '98 because he considered it unfinished until then.
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Re: An Autobiography by Don Goldberg

August 19, 2019, 10:36 am
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Quote from: CenturyDeprived on Today at 10:09:02 AM
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 Bruce clearly wasn't enamoured with the idea and sabotaged it by hiding the tape before they could add finishing touches.

Now I can't get a picture out of my mind of Bruce - dressed as The Hamburglar - sneaking around and hiding a tape, then wiping down the area to erase fingerprints. It's no wonder Bruce left. I wonder where he hid the tapes?

Talk about dysfunction. Reminds me of the type of dysfunctional stuff that happened later in the 70s, with Brian's fridge being padlocked.

More evidence for my theory that Bruce is actually the funniest Beach Boy, just by being a dick in the most incomprehensible ways possible. Marilyn got really upset about it and even made Bruce phone him to apologise.
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Re: An Autobiography by Don Goldberg

August 19, 2019, 10:52 am
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 Bruce clearly wasn't enamoured with the idea and sabotaged it by hiding the tape before they could add finishing touches.

Now I can't get a picture out of my mind of Bruce - dressed as The Hamburglar - sneaking around and hiding a tape, then wiping down the area to erase fingerprints. It's no wonder Bruce left. I wonder where he hid the tapes?

Talk about dysfunction. Reminds me of the type of dysfunctional stuff that happened later in the 70s, with Brian's fridge being padlocked.

More evidence for my theory that Bruce is actually the funniest Beach Boy, just by being a dick in the most incomprehensible ways possible. Marilyn got really upset about it and even made Bruce phone him to apologise.

This seems odd since Bruce was out of the band by the time of So Tough.  Why would he have even had access is weird?  It seems like they could have made him give it back.
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Re: An Autobiography by Don Goldberg

August 19, 2019, 11:00 am
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Quote from: Matt H on Today at 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: wjcrerar on Today at 10:36:28 AM
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 Bruce clearly wasn't enamoured with the idea and sabotaged it by hiding the tape before they could add finishing touches.

Now I can't get a picture out of my mind of Bruce - dressed as The Hamburglar - sneaking around and hiding a tape, then wiping down the area to erase fingerprints. It's no wonder Bruce left. I wonder where he hid the tapes?

Talk about dysfunction. Reminds me of the type of dysfunctional stuff that happened later in the 70s, with Brian's fridge being padlocked.

More evidence for my theory that Bruce is actually the funniest Beach Boy, just by being a dick in the most incomprehensible ways possible. Marilyn got really upset about it and even made Bruce phone him to apologise.

This seems odd since Bruce was out of the band by the time of So Tough.  Why would he have even had access is weird?  It seems like they could have made him give it back.


Bruce left during the So Tough session IIRC. His "Ten year harmony" (later retiteled as "Endless harmony") was supposed to be recorded for So Tough.
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Re: An Autobiography by Don Goldberg

August 19, 2019, 11:01 am
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 Bruce clearly wasn't enamoured with the idea and sabotaged it by hiding the tape before they could add finishing touches.

Now I can't get a picture out of my mind of Bruce - dressed as The Hamburglar - sneaking around and hiding a tape, then wiping down the area to erase fingerprints. It's no wonder Bruce left. I wonder where he hid the tapes?

Talk about dysfunction. Reminds me of the type of dysfunctional stuff that happened later in the 70s, with Brian's fridge being padlocked.

More evidence for my theory that Bruce is actually the funniest Beach Boy, just by being a dick in the most incomprehensible ways possible. Marilyn got really upset about it and even made Bruce phone him to apologise.

This seems odd since Bruce was out of the band by the time of So Tough.  Why would he have even had access is weird?  It seems like they could have made him give it back.


Bruce left during the So Tough session IIRC. His "Ten years of harmony" (later retiteled as "Endless harmony") was supposed to be recorded for So Tough.


Ahhh, ok.  That makes sense then.
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